Chris Marquette Message Board / Secret Service / Trial and Error

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dummy@example.com (BiggestChrisMarquetteFan) — Sat, 28 Sep 2013 08:47:29 +0000

ill be writing joa story soon

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dummy@example.com (TheCentralScrutinizer) — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 23:32:48 +0000

That's a really cool idea, Anne. I might have to try that!

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dummy@example.com (domesticelefant) — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:33:22 +0000

I watch it this episode to see them do great acting ... but it is definitely not my favorite plot. What I did once is watch "Jump" first, concentrating on the scene when Adam comes to Joan with his mom's letter (which touches my heart in a good way) and watch T&E right afterwards (which touches my heart too, but NOT in a good way, but the acting is still overwhelming) wondering "How did they get from that to THIS???"
I don't like the plot of the episode but I can't say often enough, the acting is great and I "love" seeing it.

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dummy@example.com (TheCentralScrutinizer) — Mon, 26 Aug 2013 16:58:52 +0000

Well, it seems that either Amber wasn't as upset about it as Chris thought she was, or maybe she'd forgotten about that by the time I interviewed her. By then, she seemed to have convinced herself that it was a good idea to shake up the relationship. And it have been, if they'd done something different and not destroyed such a great character in the process.

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dummy@example.com (pegghead) — Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:06:20 +0000

I've been re-watching JoA the last few days (okay I've watched all the way to T&E in 3 days) but I had to stop. I hate and love the T&E episode but mostly I hate it. Once they introduced the Bonnie character in the previous episode and had Adam all interested in her I knew something was up. The way they have Adam act like what he did meant nothing (even though he feels insanely guilty) was completely out of character and was so dis-respectful to Chris, the fans and the whole 2 years of pretty great shows before it. I really don't want to keep watching because once it hits T&E the episodes get crappy and hard to watch. I am so glad that Chris and Amber were as upset as the fans when they read the script and I hope they realized that none of the fans would like or agree with the drastic character change for Adam. Sadly the whole thing was just a cop out for them to break them up and they couldn't think of anything original.

My whole point to the rant is that I really don't want to watch T&E tomorrow but I will....I will grit my teeth till the scene with J&A that makes me cry and then I will watch the last few (weak) episodes before being sad it is over again.

(I might go back and watch Independence Day a few times....I love that episode even though it is awkward.....gives me butterflies lol)

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dummy@example.com (TheCentralScrutinizer) — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 23:05:22 +0000

Well said, Rick. I'm inclined to agree with you on that. Especially wishing they hadn't ever even thought of introducing a good vs evil storyline. I was pretty much instantly bored with it. Only Wentworth Miller's weird magnetism made it even remotely watchable.

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dummy@example.com (Editsound) — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 21:40:15 +0000

I find it interesting that you guys spent more time thinking about this character in the last 2 days, than I think the writers did in the first place. I always thought her name should have been "Plot Device".

It becomes even more frustrating when you see how well done the episode was. The acting is incredible, the dialog is wonderful. Too bad it was used on this dumb manipulation, instead of the unique insights the show usually tried for.

With time, I have grown to wish the people behind the show had given up on trying to get the series renewed. The desperation was clear, and it resulted it shows which feel like they are from another series. Instead of "Trial and Error" and the devil stories at the end, I wish they had just found a way to end the series. To create episodes which would suggest the futures these wonderful characters would have. It could have been a beautiful send off.

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dummy@example.com (TheCentralScrutinizer) — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:32:24 +0000

I always saw her as one of those sad, lonely little girls who thinks the only way to get a boy to like her is to let him have his way with her. And she never learns that it's not going to get her what she wants, which is clearly someone to love her. Those are the girls who end up repeatedly pregnant, or catching some disease from from sleezeball dude. It's tragic. And something they might've explored further if there'd been another season, and they were being honest. But there was no honesty in why they created that storyline. Cheap ratings ploy does not = great storytelling.

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dummy@example.com (RhymesWithBlinvisible) — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:23:45 +0000

Oh, I completely agree. The character should've been fully realized. It's cheap that we never got to know who she was and that she was so quickly forgotten. As much as I didn't like her for coming between Adam and Joan, I wanted to know more about her and her reasons for having sex with someone she knew was dating someone else. It seems kind of sad that she was that lonely.

My best guess, from what little we saw of her and know about her was that her parents were neglectful or at least always busy and out of the house.

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dummy@example.com (TheCentralScrutinizer) — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 02:18:42 +0000

My thing is, if they wanted Adam to cheat, Bonnie should've been a fully-realized character and real competition for Joan. Then I might've bought it. I understood what he saw in Iris. But this time, they had to make it just cheap sex with a seemingly really skanky girl that we never got to know. Why? Why make it so vapid and ugly and meaningless? Why destroy who Adam was?

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dummy@example.com (RhymesWithBlinvisible) — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 01:29:24 +0000

That bites. They really were horrible writers in the end. Everything seemed really choppy. If they were going to have Adam cheat with Bonnie, the least they could've done was deal with it better. Bonnie's last line left things wide open with no closure. Even if they thought they had another season, it's lazy to just drop such an important storyline and continue it in another season.

I liked Common Thread which I just watched again but that scene at the end where Adam just magically appears with Ryan and he's all happy just seemed off. They never explained where he was or why he couldn't get home or call his Dad. I hated that. Wentworth Miller was really good in this role. I was as creeped out by him as Joan was. Such a pity that we never get to see what would come of his character.

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dummy@example.com (domesticelefant) — Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:46:11 +0000

Then, yeah. But I doubt the show would have run THAT long. LOL

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dummy@example.com (TheCentralScrutinizer) — Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:22:18 +0000

Not until he and Joan are grown up and married. Then, a baby would be cool.

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dummy@example.com (domesticelefant) — Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:48:36 +0000

Adam and a baby ... I think I would have hated this. Pationately. :angry:

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dummy@example.com (TheCentralScrutinizer) — Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:22:23 +0000

No, Mel. We never saw Bonnie again. That was another thing that was LAME. No way she would just disappear like that. Bad, lazy writers! Boo!

Anne, you're right. It's a damn good thing they didn't go that route. Still, who knows? Maybe they would've if there'd been a season three. Personally, I'd rather believe that S3 would've been about Joan fighting to wrench Adam away from Ryan's evil clutches before he got anymore corrupted. And in the end, they'd get back together.