Star Trek (2008 movie)

TheCentralScrutinizer · 10 May 09 :: 06:00

Top 5 All Time Favorite Star Trek Characters...

1. Spock
2. Picard
3. Saavik
4. Data
5. McCoy

TeeJay · 10 May 09 :: 10:39

Karl Urban also played Éomer in Lord of the Rings. That's where I knew him from. Though I didn't realize McCoy was played by him until the end credits...

I guess you're right, Deb, you probably have to be a hardcore TOS (and the early movies) fan to fully appreciate the new Trek movie. I wonder if people like it who have never seen Star Trek. I'm really glad that everyone else seems to enjoy the new movie. I'm curious what Simon and Illinois have to say about it.

TheCentralScrutinizer wrote:

Obviously tastes differ because the general opinion about Wolverine is that it's just garbage. Dave doesn't even really wanna see it anymore and a few weeks ago he was all geeked up. I've always been on the fence about that one and only really into it because of Ryan and Taylor. And now that I've read how lackluster Gambit is and how they totally break canon with Deadpool, I've lost all interest. BTW, it's already been announced that the next X movie will be Deadpool. But how, after what they did to him?

See, I think I enjoyed it so much because I don't know anything about the comics or the characters other than what I saw in the first three movies. And even most of what was in those movies other than the general story arc, I've already forgotten (shocking to realize that the first X-Men movie came out nine years ago!). I even had to look up who Gambit and Deadpool were. I think I'm just too visually oriented to remember such trivial things as names.

When you talk about canon, do you mean in reference to the comic books? Like I said, I don't know how the story goes in the comics, so of course I didn't realize they veered off from canon in the movie. I guess with Origins Wolverine I was kinda like that person who goes to see the new Trek movie without ever having seen a single episode of Star Trek. I was hoping to see a good action movie with a story that made sense, and that's what I got.

And, a whole movie about Deadpool? Really? Okay, I can see how that wouldn't appeal to me much either. I can somehow see how they might fill 90 minutes with the story of where he came from and how they transformed him into what he ended up being at the big showdown, but it would have to be really well done for me to wanna spend 10 bucks on seeing it in the theater. Truth be told, after watching Wolverine, I kept thinking: They're gonna do more "Origin" movies, right? So who's gonna be next? And I came up blank...

-TeeJay

Simon · 10 May 09 :: 19:07

This would put you on the spot Deb, in what order from best to least best were the characters in this film?

TheCentralScrutinizer · 10 May 09 :: 19:22

I'll see if I can find the article I read about the Deapool movie. Yeah, all the actual X Men fans are livid about what they did to him at the end of the movie. It's apparently nothing like the comics. They have two more ideas for movies after that but I can't remember what they are because I just no longer care about that series since they've evidently decided screw canon, screw the comic fans, we'll just do what we want whether it makes any sense or not. Fans of the comics also hate X3. I didn't know that until I read a little bit about how awful they think Wolverine is. So now I'm just like, eh, who cares about this crap anyway? Not even my kind of movie to begin with.

I think Star Trek really is a lot like Fanboys. It works on one level if you're not a fan and a whole different one if you are.

Incidentally, I saw the stupidest trailer I've ever seen in my life yesterday. For G.I. Joe. What complete garbage! It made both Hulk movies look like high art. After it was over, Dave said, "Hey, at least Shia's not in it." And then blam! I had to endure the damn Transformers 2 trailer next! Shut up Dave, you spoke too soon. OK, that was the second stupidest trailer I've ever seen. Giant metal monsters trying to stomp the world out of existence? And they TALK??? OMG. I laughed all the way through it. Makes me wonder what Godzilla movies would've been like if the big green monster could speak Japanese. These clunky, junky, loud, silly monster-fests are what we've got to look forward to this summer? Guess I'll be staying home for the most part.

After Angels & Demons next week, there's not one movie I'm interested enough in to go to a theater for... well, I don't know how long. I kinda wouldn't mind seeing Terminator: Salvation, but it depends on finances.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 10 May 09 :: 19:24

Simon, I'd say...

Spock (perfect)
Kirk (perfect)
McCoy (perfect)
Uhura (intriguing)
Scotty (ADORABLE)
Sulu (dashing)
Checkov (funny, geeky)

TheCentralScrutinizer · 10 May 09 :: 19:27

Here you go. Here's the Deadpool article I read...

http://www.variety.com/article/VR111800 … id=13&cs=1

Illinoisguy1 · 10 May 09 :: 19:56

Final estimated weekend take.

$76.5M

Breakdown as follows:
Thursday Pre-Midnight $4M, Friday $26.8M, Saturday $27.4M, Sunday estimate $18.3M.

Wolverine dropped a whopping 68%.

Star Trek passed Fast & Furious as the 2nd biggest opening of 2009.

Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto And Nimoy Take On Trekkies Who Hate New Movie on SNL last night.
Video @ link below:
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/c … new-movie/

TheCentralScrutinizer · 10 May 09 :: 20:00

See? Told ya Wolverine was gonna drop even more than you guessed. People really are writing incredibly nasty things about it and I guess they're scaring everyone off it. Like me. It was very easy to turn me off to it since I really have to pick and choose what movies I'll pay to see. I'm glad I saved my ten bucks for Star Trek. I don't regret it for a second.

I just watched the SNL thing and it's hilarious. I actually came here to post it, but you beat me to it.

Illinoisguy1 · 10 May 09 :: 20:15

I was close though with my estimate that Wolverine would drop 65%.

For me the entire X-Men/ Wolverine thing is starting to get old really fast. Now I'm still interested in seeing Wolverine, but I can wait till the dvd.

By the way Star Trek has now obtained the highest opening weekend gross of any Trek film in history. And that's even taking inflation into account.

With inflation taken into account First Contact was the previous holder of that with a weekend take of Star Trek: First Contact (1996): $49,896,339.

To become the highest grossing Trek film ever, with inflation taken into account, ST would have to gross more than Star Trek: The Motion Picture with a total domestic take of $239,115,674.

Figures from http://boxoffice.com/featured_stories/2 … f-trek.php

Illinoisguy1 · 10 May 09 :: 20:18

I actually recorded last nights SNL because JT was on it.

So recorded some of those ST spots and Burger King spots too.

I didn't even know that they were going to be on last night, so that was a pleasant surprise.

Simon · 10 May 09 :: 22:50

For any original Star Trek fan who has a spare hour free should have a look at 'Bring Back Star Trek'. I mentioned it in an earlier post. It's a one off show when a British comedian attempts to reunite the original cast. It's lovely to see how each one is in real life, and it was great to see Uhura and Chekov on the bridge again (kinda).

Someone has uploaded it on youtube for anyone whose interested. If you can view it outside of the UK, i recommend it to an Trek fan.

http://www.youtube.com/user/atbfuturememories

TeeJay · 10 May 09 :: 23:04

TheCentralScrutinizer wrote:

Giant metal monsters trying to stomp the world out of existence? And they TALK??? OMG. I laughed all the way through it. Makes me wonder what Godzilla movies would've been like if the big green monster could speak Japanese. These clunky, junky, loud, silly monster-fests are what we've got to look forward to this summer? Guess I'll be staying home for the most part.

Funny, I thought something similar when I had to endure the Terminator Salvation trailer today. Definitely a movie I'm gonna avoid like a bad disease. I haven't seen the trailer for Transformers 2, but I might just check it out online. If it looks okay and it's showing in OV, I'm most probably gonna watch it.

I also didn't enjoy X-Men Wolverine any less on the second viewing. Anja really liked it too. Seems like I'm the only person on the planet to liked X-Men and didn't like Star Trek. And just for the record: I think calling the new X-Men movie "garbage" is an insult to the movie. Even though most people seem to think it's not a great movie, it definitely isn't anything close to "garbage".

-TeeJay

Simon · 10 May 09 :: 23:16

I think the word "garbage" is an insult to any movie.

TeeJay · 10 May 09 :: 23:28

I actually don't think I've ever seen a movie that I would consider garbage, though I'm sure there must be quite some out there to which that attribute might apply. I usually choose the movies I wanna see in the theater carefully. And it has actually never happened that I walked out of a movie mid-way. I think I once considered it during American Beauty, though looking back at it now, I don't think why I really felt that way. I've seen it on DVD at least twice after that and I still like it.

It has happened, though, that I've switched movies off on DVD without finishing them. Sin City, for instance. Or Saving Private Ryan. Good thing that a DVD player has a remote control.

Also, trailer for Transformers 2 looks good. For a mind-less action kinda movie.

-TeeJay

Simon · 10 May 09 :: 23:37

Even movies which people would call Garbage, could easily use words such as 'Weak'.

Anyway back to Star Trek. I still recommend my link, especially to Deb.

Illinoisguy1 · 10 May 09 :: 23:52

I think ST will pass $100M by either Wednesday or Thursday. Wednesday if it has smaller % drops than usual.

By next weekend the total should be around $126-$131M

Now I have seen a movie on DVD that I would call garbage, and that's The Beast from Yucca Flats. Just terrible beyond words. In case anyone doesn't know about it, it stars that very large guy from Plan 9 from Outer Space who gets radiated by an atomic bomb and starts killing people. The entire film made no sense and they had a very hard time finding or escaping from him even though he just walked around.

Illinoisguy1 · 11 May 09 :: 00:33

International #'s are now in.

Variety is now also reporting that Star Trek brought it an additional $35.5 Million in 54 overseas markets.

Specifically the big countries for Star Trek were: the U.K. with $8.8 million, Germany with $4.6 million, Australia with $3.4 million, France with $2.8 million, Russia with $2.3 million, South Korea with $2.2 million and Spain with $1.6 million.

For a worldwide total so far of $112M.

If ST can earn close to or around $200M and about half that from international, then the total worldwide could be close to if not over $300M.
Which would make it the highest ww grossing Trek film ever, even taking inflation into account.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 11 May 09 :: 02:19

I didn't call call the last X Men movie garbage. I actually liked it, saw it in the theater. It's other, mostly hardcore fans of the comics, who are saying that. Haven't any of you read any of this negative stuff that's out there? I'm not making it up. A week or so ago, I just bumped into Harry agonizing over whether to even see Wolverine because of how awful the script he read was and everything he knows about the reshoots and behind the scenes shake-ups. He was finally convinced that it was part of his "job" to review it so he did see it. And he was not happy...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40955

I did call the trailer for G.I. Joe garbage, yes, because to me, it is. It looks like a very bad version of the kind of movie only 14-year-old boys will love.

I've seen plenty of movies I'd call garbage. Most of them on cable because I don't have enough disposable cash to go see movies casually. I think the worst thing I've seen in years has to be Accepted which I thankfully didn't pay for. It has some good people in it but it's so cheap, and so poorly written and so amateurishly directed and shot it is simply horrible. The only movie I've seen in the theater (and it was Dave's pick) that I thought was irredeemable trash was Party Monster. Again, it had some really good people in it. But it was wall-to-wall tortuous to watch.

I like a lot of movies other people don't like and I can't stand a lot of stuff that's very popular. I am by no means trying to enforce my taste on anyone else. I am simply expressing my opinions.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 11 May 09 :: 02:27

And I love the first two Terminator movies because they're gritty and almost relentlessly intense. This new one looks like it will be too. Add in Christian Bale and more Anton Yelchin and it sounds pretty cool. At least it'll be more realistic and there will be blood, unlike these glossy, comic-booky things.

Illinoisguy1 · 12 May 09 :: 15:38

Weekend actuals are now in.

$75.2 million for the weekend.
$79.2 million since Thursday.

TeeJay · 12 May 09 :: 19:24

I really recommend watching MySpace - Artist on Artist with Zach Quinto and Chris Pine: http://www.myspace.com/artistonartist

-TeeJay

Illinoisguy1 · 13 May 09 :: 00:52

I saw the film today.

Great film, one of the best Trek films ever.

I think there are only two scenes that I don't like at all.

1. Young Kirk stealing the car and crashing it off the cliff while some lousy(imo) rock song plays.
2. Young Spock getting into a fight after taking a test.

Both of those scenes I didn't care for and I don't think added much to the storyline.

My favorite FX shots.
The first reveal of the Enterprise at Space Dock.
The departure of the Enterprise from Space Dock
The arrival of the Enterprise at Vulcan and trying to avoid the debris of the ships.
The departure of the shuttle from the Enterprise
The pan out from the bridge to the outside of the Enterprise
The Enterprise coming out of warp with weapons firing to destroy the missiles fired at Spock's ship
The final shot of the Enterprise
And my favorite, yet simple shot is the Enterprise coming out of the moons atmosphere.

I'll post later on my thoughts about the rest of the film.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 13 May 09 :: 01:47

The "lousy rock song" is Sabotage by The Beastie Boys, which is actually a rap song. Dave and I loved it. Maybe you have to be a certain age.

Illinoisguy1 · 13 May 09 :: 09:42

My review:

Which may contain spoilers.

Acting:
All of the primary actors do an excellent job. But I'll go one by one.

Chris Pine: Really fine job making the character of Kirk his very own. In the end he became Kirk.

Zachary Quinto: Another fine job. From the very beginning he was Spock. He got it down pat.

Eric Bana: Even though the character isn't too well written, his portrayal is very good.

Bruce Greenwood: Terrific performance. Shows what a captain should be like.

Karl Urban: Great performance.

Zoe Saldana: Good performance overall. Very spunky.

Simon Pegg: Ok as Scotty. Accent very good, but just a tad too comedic.

John Cho: Ok as Sulu, but the script didn't give him really too much to do.

Anton Yelchin: Good as Chekov. Accent is jsut as good as the original's.

Directing:
Overall good, but way too much extreme closeups and use of lens flares. One example is the closeup
of Nero filling about half the screen. The use of lens flares was also done too much and took away
from certain scenes.

Sound:
Great sound and the use of it. Like when the Kelvin is being attacked and one person is blown out
into space and there is no sound.

Costume Design:
Excellent. Kept the basics of the TOS but updated them.

Visual Effects:
The best of the series.

Story:
Ok, there are some plot holes. But what films don't.
But overall the story was a good revenge film, even though the revenge aspect was misguided.

Action:
The most action in a Trek film ever. And also the best action as well.

The overall message.
Now Trek films usually have a message, for me it's the relationship between parents and their child.
And how the death of one can affect the childs life. Kirks loss of his father at his birth made him
unguided and cocky, that is until someone who knew his father changed his life. While Spock grew up
with his parents, the sudden death of his mother affected him greatly, not only that but the loss of
his home planet and billions of his race.

Both parallel each other, but eventually need each other. In a way the Enterprise crew becomes their
new family.

My final verdict.
It's certainly one the best Trek films ever and one of the better science fiction films too. Full of
action as well as emotion, heroic as well as touching. It's completely accessible to fans and
non-fans alike. This Trek 'warps' what was Star Trek into an action-packed, emotionally charged
blockbuster and opens up an entire new world of adventures for the legendary Enterprise and her
crew.

Overall grade: A-

Last edited by Illinoisguy1 (13 May 09 :: 12:27)

TheCentralScrutinizer · 13 May 09 :: 15:18

Yep.

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