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Editsound · 17 Jun 09 :: 05:44

There are a lot of egos on the line. That is what is driving the lawsuits, ( and to some extent the long time to reach an agreement).

The industry is changing, but I don't think you all realize where it really may be going. There is a very real (still small but real) chance that the internet may end all original production as we know it. If there is no way to make serious money from the internet, and everything ends up there, it would make more sense to quit producing new products, and instead just use the huge libraries of material they already have to generate revenue. Those annoying commercials are what pays for the shows we all love. The advertising on the internet is nothing by comparison. And if DVDs die out, there goes the other real source of profit for the TV shows and movies. And believe me, if they can't make money, they will stop producing stuff. That is why SAG, DGA, and WGA are trying to get residuals from the internet. If that is all that is left, they want to have a revenue stream in place.

This would also affect Movies and Pay Cable stuff as well, less sources of revenue will hurt them as well.

Sorry to be a downer, but this could be real, and believe me, we take it seriously here.

Illinoisguy1 · 17 Jun 09 :: 08:54

I think there is a big difference between the change from standard tv to Digital TV and any sort of switch to an all internet based system of entertainment.

With the Digital TV transition there was a few options available to consumers. Completely switch to HDTV. Get their tv via cable or satellite and keep their analog tv, buy a converter box to use with their analog tv or do nothing and get nothing.

The government knew how much this affect consumers and offered a $50 coupon for the converter box for those consumers who only get tv through an analog tv connected only to an antenna.

Their is a major difference between that and an all internet based method of receiving tv.

It would be required that all households be outfitted with high-speed internet. Who is going to pay the bill for such a radical change in the way that consumers receive their tv signals?

If it's going to be the government, well we see how well the DTV switch went. Shortages of the coupons, stores out of stock of the converters and back in early 2009 upwards of 3 million people weren't ready. Plus the cost of outfitting millions of households would be much more expensive than just a $50 coupon for those that needed one.

If it's going to be the consumer, again the DTV switch didn't go over so smoothly either. As stated above, plus when the June switch happened there was something like 300,000 people who weren't ready. The economy is currently down the toilet, and to ask consumers to pay for high-speed internet retro-fitting wouldn't really help the economy too much either.

Plus I wonder how many consumers would really want to pay a monthly bill for high-speed internet? People are already cutting back on entertainment and some are already dropping cable tv as a result. During any sort of transition people would have to have both cable and high-speed internet. The guy I'm renting from is paying close to $150 a month for both - and that's not even for the high-speed internet that would be required for an all internet based tv.

If there was a transition to internet based tv I really wonder how many households wouldn't be ready? I bet you a whole bunch more than those not ready for the DTV switch. Probably tens of millions of households.

So I see a whole bunch of obstacles in any sort of an all out transition to only an internet based tv. The cost of retro-fitting millions of households either paid for by the government or the consumer, the cost of the monthly internet bill when quite a few are already dropping their cable because of it's high cost.

Oh yeah, and I forgot about who is going to buy all of this new equipment that would be required to access internet based tv. I highly doubt that the government is going to pay for either a new computer for those households that need a computer or need a better one to gain access to high-speed internet or a new TV that would be connected to a high-speed internet computer or a new TV that can access high-speed internet directly.
Plus many homes currently have more than one tv, so who's going to pay for all of this new equipment and retro-fitting rooms such as other bedrooms or the kitchen.

But regardless, consumers were offered choices and even if they wanted to watch tv on their analog tv with an antenna they still can even after the DTV transition.
But that's not the same as with an only internet based system. Either every household would have to switch over or for those that don't - then nothing. People don't like to be forced into things, they like to have a choice. So for those that either won't or can't retro-fit their homes with high-speed internet or have the correct equipment to access internet based tv then they would be cut off completely.

The more I look at it, the more and more expensive this sounds for either the government, the consumer or both of them.

It's not about having disposable income, it's about the very expensive transition to an only internet based tv that is going to curtail any sort of quick and easy transition to it. That's why it's not going to happen in 5 years or even 10 years.

For if they were just going to switch over to an internet based tv say within the next 5 years, they are going to cut off likely around 75% or more of the tv viewing households. Gee I wonder how much money the "money men" would lose then?

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Illinoisguy1 · 17 Jun 09 :: 09:20

Global subscriptions to Internet-based TV are on track to reach 19.6 mln subscribers in 2008, a 64% increase, according to Gartner. Revenue from worldwide Internet protocol television is forecast to reach $4.5 bln, up 93.5% from a year earlier, with Western Europe boasting the largest number of IPTV subscribers and North America the largest market for IPTV revenue. 1.1% of households worldwide would be using IPTV in 2008, and expects that to rise to 2.8% by 2012.

http://www.itfacts.biz/28-of-households … 2012/11574

So even by 2012 only 2.8% of households worldwide would be using IPTV. I really don't think a transition to Internet tv only will occur within 5 years if the above article is correct. I just don't see a rapid transition.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 19 Jun 09 :: 06:12

You know what I miss? ABC Sunday Night At The Movies. ABC Movie Of The Week. CBS/Hallmark Hall Of Fame Movie Showcase. NBC Movie Events. Just saw a commercial for the ABC mini-series, Impact. Hope it's good since it's part of an endangered species.

Editsound · 19 Jun 09 :: 06:51

I completely agree. I miss them too. although the Hallmark hall of fame movies are still made, they are just on the Hallmark channel now.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 19 Jun 09 :: 15:23

Yes, but wouldn't you agree that the quality of Hallmark films has generally gone waaaaay down since they got their own network? Maybe it's over-saturation, but it used to be that they'd only make a few movies a year and they'd often be adaptations of great literature, or just really classy movies. Now, they're not much more than Lifetime-strong-women-facing-adversity flicks starring Melissa Gilbert. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I like those movies. But I remember when you could expect to see something like Decoration Day or My Name Is Bill W. Ya know?

And sometimes we'd get those really excellent true crime mini-series like Fatal Vision, Cruel Doubt, The Executioner's Song. Nowadays, I guess HBO and Showtime are where you have to turn for great quality movies.

Editsound · 19 Jun 09 :: 16:10

Probably true about Hallmark. The weird thing is that the HBO and Showtime movies don't feel like the old great TV movies did. The HBO and showtime movies feel like good low budget features. There was something different (and often great) about those TV movies from the late 60s to the late 80s. I can't quite define what it was, but they felt different.

I saw Tribes on cable the other night. I had never seen it before, and it was pretty good, in that old TV movie way.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 19 Jun 09 :: 16:20

I know exactly what you're trying to say. And I don't know know how to describe it either, but I think you're right to a large degree.

Illinoisguy1 · 19 Jun 09 :: 22:44

TheCentralScrutinizer · 19 Jun 09 :: 22:46

BEEYOOTIFUL!!! :drool:

domesticelefant · 19 Jun 09 :: 22:56

I love how the Watson poster rhymes. LOL

TheCentralScrutinizer · 21 Jun 09 :: 23:52

OMG! I just opened the next Wiseguy disc from Netflix and it's the Rag Trade arc with Jerry Lewis, Ron Silver & Stanley Tucci! I love this one. Can't wait to watch it again after all these years. Woohoo! The Dead Dog arc can't be much further down the road.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 22 Jun 09 :: 15:42

The stuff of nightmares. Johnny Depp as Mad Hatter in Tim Burton's Alice In Wonderland...

They say Cheshire Cat will really freak you out...

therealshell · 22 Jun 09 :: 16:53

That is the oddest looking Mad Hatter that I've ever seen. Makes David Wayne's version look normal.

BiggestChrisMarquetteFan · 23 Jun 09 :: 08:30

That's a really weird picture. Kind of scary.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 23 Jun 09 :: 16:16

Finally!!! They're releasing the complete first season of Wiseguy, for a ridiculously low $12.99. When do you ever get 22 eps for that price?

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Can't wait!

Simon · 23 Jun 09 :: 17:46

Johnny Depp looks better than i expected. I can't wait for this film.

justme · 24 Jun 09 :: 16:47

Samsy wrote:

I have read the book and loved it. You should definitely read it before seeing the movie. I'm not sure if I'm going to watch it. When I read the book, the people didn't look like Eric Bana and Rachel Adams to me. But then again, I also read the Twilight book before the movie and I love both, so ... LOL

I just got through reading the book. Loved it! I read that a lot of people don't like Rachel McAdams for Clare, especially. Is it just because of their looks? I'm really looking forward to the movie now.

The little girl in the trailer doesn't look like Eric Bana or Rachel McAdams to me. She looks like Adam Wylie!:rofl:

justme · 24 Jun 09 :: 16:54

Yay, Wiseguys! That's a great price, too.

Simon · 28 Jun 09 :: 18:07

Just got back from Terminator Salvation, and as a Terminator fan, i thought it was fantastic and a worthy addition to the franchise. As always, Anton was wonderful.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 28 Jun 09 :: 19:08

Yeah, I still wanna see that one. Great cast.

Illinoisguy1 · 28 Jun 09 :: 19:26

I just bet that they'll release either a R Rated or an Unrated version on DVD.

People expect to see a R Rated Terminator movie, not a watered-down PG-13 version. That's likely why it's underperforming in the U.S.

Simon · 28 Jun 09 :: 19:42

Even though it was a watered down PG-13 sequel, it didn't feel like it. It felt much darker than T3 and that was an R. It's definately not as bad as some reviews make it sound like.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 05 Jul 09 :: 02:53

Ruper Grint recovering from Swine Flu...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/0 … 25754.html

Wow, glad he's OK.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 07 Jul 09 :: 03:26

Here's an article about a lot of summer movies that don't suck...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/0 … 24051.html

Dazed & Confused and Point Break are great choices. Both wonderful movies in their own way. Very much of their time, and timeless, all the same. They're kind of magical. I've seen both of them so many times, I know them by heart. Wore out the soundtracks, etc. I have the book and special edition DVD for Dazed, and the script and a German poster of PB. Just love 'em.

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