Holy Hell! No Way!!!

magicalturkey · 23 Jan 08 :: 01:13

Yeah, him and Gemma started dating during the holidays this year (last year?)

TheCentralScrutinizer · 23 Jan 08 :: 01:40

Wait a minute, the pills were OTC? It's awfully hard to OD on OTC sleeping pills. There's an ingredient in them by law that makes you throw up before they can kill you. And how could he go from Ambien, which is pretty strong and by scrip only, to something OTC and then OD on that? This doesn't make sense.

magicalturkey · 23 Jan 08 :: 01:49

I haven't heard that the pills were OTC. I just heard they were sleeping pills.

OhGnarly · 23 Jan 08 :: 02:00

Oh, I'm sure the pills were stronger than Ambiens. He was quoted saying that he had taken Ambien to help him sleep after working on the new Batman movie because he was disturbed by his character. But I doubt that's what he overdosed on today.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 23 Jan 08 :: 02:07

I watched CNN for like an hour and they said over and over that they were over the counter sleeping pills.

Susanna · 23 Jan 08 :: 03:12

This is just insane. I'd have (some) trouble believing it was a suicide, but I guess we really have no idea what his life was like. I don't know what would be more tragic though, if it was an accident or that he was that unhappy that he topped himself.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 23 Jan 08 :: 03:20

They seem to be leaning toward an accidental overdose on CNN. He'd been complaining about not being able to sleep. He may have over-taken the sleeping pills or mixed them with something else. Most of the people they've talked to so far said he wasn't some big drug user and he didn't seem to be suicidally depressed.

OhGnarly · 23 Jan 08 :: 03:31

Yeah, I just saw one of his very recent interviews and he looked completely exhausted. When he was asked about his little girl, he said that it's shifted his perspectives on death, as he knows that he will live on through her, but that he wants to be around to watch her grow up. So sad.

Chnyst · 23 Jan 08 :: 03:56

My boss came up to me at work and asked, "Did you hear Heath Ledger was found dead today, surrounded by pills"?
I seriously thought it was the opening line to a joke. But I was quite shocked when I heard it was true. I can't claim to be a huge follower of Heath's, but I am very aware of his talent and was very anxious to see how his version of the Joker turned out. My heart goes out to his family, friends, and fans, but especially to his 2 yr old daughter who lost her daddy far too soon.

magicalturkey · 23 Jan 08 :: 04:01

You'll still get to see his Joker, Sean. The Dark Knight finished taping, I saw a picture of him as Joker and no wonder it gave him nightmares. That's the reason he was on sleeping pills, the role was so mentally and physically demanding he only slept average of two hours a night.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 23 Jan 08 :: 04:01

On MSNBC just now they said he had pneumonia. And they said the cops told his family there was no immediate indication of suicide. It looked accidental to them.

Chnyst · 23 Jan 08 :: 04:12

Wow, that is just shocking.
Watching the "Dark Knight" will be just eerie now.
Just like watching "The Crow" after Brandon Lee had died...

TheCentralScrutinizer · 23 Jan 08 :: 04:17

Exactly, Sean. Watching Dragon is eerie like that for me too because Brandon is so prominently part of the story. This is just so heartbreaking. Weirdly, I was just thinking about Heath this morning. I heard David Bowie's Golden Years on XM on the drive to work and I flashed on the dance scene from A Knight's Tale. Made me wanna watch the movie again. Don't think I can now.

magicalturkey · 23 Jan 08 :: 04:28

I really want to watch 10 Things I Hate About You... I don't know if I can. If I ever do, it won't be the same movie.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 23 Jan 08 :: 04:37

OK, now they're saying both prescription and non-prescription sleeping pills were found, some on his nightstand, some in his medicine cabinet. No indications as to which was which. They're not sure, but he may have been gone for a quite a while.

magicalturkey · 23 Jan 08 :: 04:46

I wish they'd make up their minds. First the medicine was all over the room, then it was surrounding him on the bed, now it was in his nightstand or medicine cabinet.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 23 Jan 08 :: 04:48

I know. Looks like it's gonna take a while to sort this one out.

BiggestChrisMarquetteFan · 23 Jan 08 :: 04:57

That's sad. There's way too many great people dying so often now, especially celebs.

magicalturkey · 23 Jan 08 :: 04:58

Oh man... my friend just figured this out. We already said how watching The Dark Knight would be eerie like watching The Crow is. My friend is a huge fan of Brandon Lee, and she just made the connection that Brandon and Heath were both 28. Just a coincidence, I know, but it's a crazy one. This whole thing is just wigging us out right now.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 23 Jan 08 :: 05:05

Yeah, that's actually a pretty spooky coincidence. And the make-up for The Crow and The Joker are similar too.

Chnyst · 23 Jan 08 :: 08:50

The age thing is quite a spooky coincidence. Not quite as crazy as all the artists lost at age 27, but still interesting since both characters are similar with the make-up and are both based on comic books .

herrommance · 23 Jan 08 :: 20:17

omg I am so upset I cried. I heard about it on the radio like a little while after it happened. I didnt believe them

TheCentralScrutinizer · 23 Jan 08 :: 20:17

Brilliant blog from HuffPo:

Heath Ledger: Art, Loss and Celebrity
by Danny Zucker
Posted January 23, 2008 | 12:21 AM (EST)
"Heath Ledger dead?" The text message washed and rattled through my mind today, January 22, 2008, my first day as a second-semester sophomore. I couldn't believe it. I was shocked. I was saddened. I was in a state of negative equilibrium that, in writing this, I realize has yet to pass.
Him of all people, I wondered. Ledger had been ever-present in my thoughts as of late; after I'd seen the trailer for The Dark Knight and become obsessed with his uncannily perfect portrayal of the Joker, I had been Googling everything on the man and the upcoming movie I could find. I reminisced about his powerful performance in Brokeback Mountain a couple of years ago. I even phoned my personal friend and famed comic book writer Jeph Loeb to ask him about Ledger after seeing Jeph's name mentioned in a Dark Knight-related Wikipedia posting. Over the last five days, Heath Ledger had become my favorite actor.
So to hear of his death was particularly impacting on me. Born in 1979, that made him scarcely nine years older than I am, and already a father. Still relatively new to the Hollywood scene, he'd only been making American movies since 1999. According to one online source, he prepared for his role in Christopher Nolan's new film by isolating himself for a month and filling a journal with his own Joker-inspired thoughts. I'd never heard of such dedication before, and I loved him for it. To me, Ledger was still fresh, still new and appealing, still without a devastating scandal, a young, extremely talented artist with a doubtless-amazing future.
Upon hearing the devastating news, I wished that I could give back that moment to the universe, the moment Heath Ledger died under still-unknown circumstances, or at least the point at which I heard about it. He'd been an inspiration to me for his commitment to his craft, his seeming avoidance of the many pitfalls of celebrity, and to hear of him dying too far before his time shook me with a draining sadness I cannot fully describe.
I've been writing and shooting my own films since I was a little kid. When I was younger, celebrity was something of a secret aspiration, a guilty fantasy, and in some ways an expectation. What set me apart from the other wannabes, however, was that I admired the legitimatization of artistry that comes with celebrity, and not its wealth, prestige or "Sexiest Bachelor Under 30" status. I confess that I wanted to be taken seriously and appreciated for my creative achievements. In any case, becoming a star was a present thought in my early meditations on living a creative life.
As I aged, however, and learned more about the "darker" side of fame and Hollywood that has become something of a mainstay in today's headlines, I began to doubt that to which I had aspired as a pre-teen; Simpson, Blake and Spector were likely murderers, Hilton and Lohan alcoholic party animals, and scores of other famous faces struggling drug users. I began to wonder whether celebrity had something to do with it all. Perhaps it was a newfound ease at obtaining drugs or public sympathy, an arrogant feeling of entitlement, or simply an overwhelming exhaustion from years of fleeing the paparazzi. Maybe these are merely commonplace tragedies that happen to have occurred in the public eye. I cannot say for sure.
These things frightened me away from pursuing celebrity, but cemented my faith in artists that work for creativity's sake, for the sake of the craft. The incomparable Daniel Day-Lewis falls under this category, for example, and I believe that Heath Ledger does, as well. It is important to note that I do not intend to sully Ledger's reputation, nor to imply that he had become something of a degenerate. One cannot explain his tragic passing at the age of 28, in my opinion. Nor should it become a topic of public scrutiny; but Heath Ledger wore a public face. He surely felt some of the difficult strains of standing in the limelight, and he will be talked about.
This event has spurred another topic in my mind, the odd truth that though we come to know these people by name and appearance, they are not our neighbors, nor our friends. Surely we can admire, support and mourn for those we never meet, but many of us do not know the inner personalities or insecurities of the celebrities we enjoy. Their publicity makes them ours to discuss, criticize and love, but the masses are not necessarily welcome in the hearts of Heath Ledger and his peers. Our love is not requited. So it strikes me as a little weird to feel a sense of loss for a person I've only come to know through the cinema. And yet, I still mourn him, and I still appreciate him.
For us, life continues, but knowledge of its fragility is ever more present with each passing. One's art may never leave one's bedroom, but its meaning transcends public opinion; we do not have to know about it to feel its effect, and we do not have to be famous to have something relevant to say.
These are things I thought about today.

magicalturkey · 24 Jan 08 :: 03:04

On Entertainment Tonight they said Christian Extremists might picket his funeral because of Brokeback Mountain. That's seriously just sickening.

TheCentralScrutinizer · 24 Jan 08 :: 03:12

They're talking about that sicko psycho Fred Phelps and his family and freakazoid church. They picketed Matthew Shepherd's funeral and got a lot of notoriety, so they've been doing it ever since. Lately, they've made the news by picketing at the funerals of American soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. They say they all deserved to die because America tolerates homosexuality and abortion. Google the bastard. You won't believe the the hateful garbage that spews from his mouth.

And I already fully expected these creeps to show up. If the stupid media just wouldn't put them on TV, they might get bored, shut up and go away.

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