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I bet there is a video somewhere of all the table reads, including "Trial and Error". But judging from the interveiw with Chris, I bet that table read was not pretty. My guess is that there was a lot of argueing during that one. So, I'm sure they wouldn't want to release that one.
As to the drooling...NP.
Rick
I agree. It was "Uncertainty Principle" which made me start thinking about this. I do think it is one of the themes of the show, that people are not good and evil, but their actions are. Another reason I didn't like the Ryan character.
Interesting. I had always written off Freidman's response to Stevie as being a writer's device (or maybe he was being a smart snob). But that is an interesting idea, that he wasn't ready to risk his heart again. That is a real possibility, I'll have to keep that in mind when I see those episodes again.
My take on Judith's response to Freidman was that she didn't have a real interest in him until he memorized the play. I think she was responding to the dedication to her that he was showing. Kind of: If he will do this much for me, maybe I should take a more serious look at him.
Another side note on this subject, I loved the choice of Hamlet. Hamlet is in love with a doomed girl who ultimely dies in a accidental drowning/maybe suicide. Which is kind of like Judith's fate.
An aspect I have been thinking about the last few days is the 2 romances which ran through the show, and what they said about each other. Adam & Joan and Luke & Grace. The two couples were becoming interested at about the same time, they both went through a period where the guy was seeing another girl, then they both finally got together with the right girl. It is fascinating that we are all more interested in the Adam and Joan romance, yet in the end the Luke and Grace relationship is the one which is successful. I was thinking it was the idea that the love which burns too hot (is too intense) can't finally succeed.
But after some more thought, I have come to think it is something more simple. Grace and Luke communicate with each other better, (even to the extreme of writing contracts). But in the end, they both always know where they stand. Luke lets Grace know when something is really important to him (he wants her at his birthday, and calls it a deal breaker). Grace is always clear with him about what she wants him to do (or not do). Grace tells Luke about her most personal secret(about her mom). Luke confesses to her his experiment with drugs (without being caught, he just tells her).
Meanwhile, Joan and Adam have real problems in this area. They never seem to tell each other when something is bothering them. They are each jealous at one point, but neither of them bring it up until it almost gets completely out of control. Adam hires an assistant without even telling Joan he is going to. And of course, Joan has a huge secret, and a second life that doesn't include Adam.
It makes me wonder it ultimately the Joan and Adam romance was doomed, (even if they hadn't done "Trial and Error"), or would they have finally figured out a way to communicate more completely. Would Joan have fully disclosed her secret to Adam?
I would have to say Joan. No, I don't see and talk to God. She is confused by the spirituality. She wants to understand what is going on, she wants to see the big picture, she wants to believe there is a purpose and meaning behind all that we go through. Even talking to God, she is left with questions and doubts.
That is the closest to where I am in life. I would love to have faith, to believe there is a purpose to it all, but I am left with questions and doubts.
Thank you. The first thought I had when he started hitting on Joan was, what is wrong with this guy. Creepy is a good word for him.
Very interesting article. Also, interesting that this post hasn't gotten any replys. I think this is the aspect of the show it is hardest to talk about, because it is the most personal. In order to talk about the spirituality of this show, you really have to ask yourself what you believe. In JOA, I really love the characters, the friendships, the actors, the writing, the everday problems, and more complex problems, but it is the spirituality which has kept me coming back. It is the core of the show.
You are so right to keep the actors seperated from the characters. I completely agree. I have had a few characters ruined over the years by meeting the actors behind them,
For an episode I didn't think should have happened, I keep thinking about it.
Anyone have any ideas why Kevin isn't in this episode? It is the only episode in which any of the Girardis are missing, and other than the pilot, it is the only episode in which any of the main characters is missing. There are 2 scenes at the house, so they definately could have had him in it. Is it something as simple as Jason wasn't available (although that seems unlikely), or did they think that the generally comic nature of his scenes wouldn't fit (again doesn't seem to make sense, he had plenty of serious scenes, and they never shyed away from mixing comedy and drama) Any guesses or answers?
Jonathan Frakes couldn't fit the ADR into his schedule, I think he was working on 2 or 3 shows at the time. So, I didn't meet him. These days I usually get asked about Katherine Heigl.
I only did the pilot on Pasadena, then they moved the production (including the sound work)to Canada (kinda strange to move a show about Pasadena from pasadena to Canada). And according to IMDB Chris wasn't in that one.
Dangerous Minds is my closest connection with JOA, because it had several people in common, including James Hayman and Annie Potts(she is the most normal actor I have ever met), who were the main producers on our show.
Roswell was also a show in which I only did the pilot, but it is one where I met & worked with the whole cast. So, feel free to ask me what you like.
I could ramble on with stories forever. So, I'll restrain myself.
Doh! how embarrassing, I worked on Buffy a couple of times, I should have known that.
Thanks for the compliments.
Often times they have to record ADR (replacement dialog) which happens when I am involved. But kids 10 commandments was made over about a 5 year period. So, on that one there wasn't any ADR(partly because I now remember they mentioned that the actors' voices had changed)
Thank you. Those are spectacular!
That's cool. Those videos were made by possibly the nicest people I have ever worked with. And they always chose to work with nice, positive people. So, that says good things about Chris. They had recorded all of the dialog before I came onto those videos, so I'm afraid I can't provide any firsthand knowledge.
In Barbara Hall's "ten commanments of Joan of Arcadia", #2 is that Good and Evil are real. Yet, until Ryan shows up at the end I am having trouble thinking of much evil in the show. Even most of the criminals on the show are given good sides or frailities, they don't seem evil. The only character who might be evil is Lucy.
Or is it that people aren't good and evil, but their actions can be good and evil.
Cool. thanks
Which one? I looked him up on IMDB and I didn't see any common credits.
I watched a couple of episodes today "Friday night", and "No Future". And you are definately onto something. Adam is very aware of the various God forms. They were definately up to something with that.
Interestingly Judith was actually talking to God, but then she was about to die so I assume that is why she saw him. I noticed when Joan and God go outside the room to talk, a nurse walks right by them into the room, and doesn't seem to notice the Doctor (God). Very cool stuff. I will be tuned into this from now on.
Scooby doo was exactly what I thought of when I saw the shot of the group near the end of the episode.
Yes, you found me
Thanks for the transcript. The last few storylines felt like network interference or producers desperately trying to save a show they think will be cancelled. Glad to know it was something like that.
It is also really nice to know the actors really cared about their characters, and were really in tune with the show. One of the many reasons the show was so special.
This kind of depends on whether you count the last episode or not. I tend to ignore the Ryan stuff. It felt to me like they were planning on turning the show into Joany the Vampire Slayer. So, if you include SWTWC, then I think she was going to tell everyone. Helen, definately. As well as, Grace, Adam, Luke, Glynnis, Freidman. Maybe even Lilly. That is what it seemed like they were setting up.
Now if you don't include that story they were starting, my choice would have been Kevin. He always had the defence mechenism of making a joke, but after that he was often very receptive to people.
And of course, Adam was still a possibility. It would have provided a way for Adam and Joan to be spiritually close, if not romantically close.
At Disneyland it was remodeled into a winnie the pooh ride, although I think it maybe still at Disneyworld, anyone from that part of the world know?
Teejay, I would be interested in what Chris said about the episode.
Both are excellent choices. For me, when it is close, I probably always go back to "Jump" because that was the episode which made me love the show.
And while I agree that "Trial and Error" shouldn't have happened, I do think it is Amber's best moments. From the time in the hallway when she begins to suspect through the end, she is stunning. You can see the knowledge and the pain, and yet a hint of hope that he is going to say something to convince her that she is wrong. And when there is no longer any doubt, the devastation.