#126 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 10 Feb 09 :: 21:36

Illinoisguy1 wrote:

I'm sure Larry knows this as well, that even blockbusters very rarely break even on just it's box office receipts. First you got the cost of making the film, marketing costs, print costs, the movie theaters share, back-end deals where certain people get a % of the profit and perhaps some other things I can't think of right now.
So after all of that the studio can lose money on just the box office. That's why merchandising, advertising tie-ins, and dvd, tv rights are so important.

Thanks illinoisguy, yes, this is true. I've written extensively about this subject over the years. Other than film festivals and indies in general, my blog focuses on the curious world of film distribution.

I just told someone in an email that box office means crap. Lousy films rake in millions, great films do zero or are never released, and films that disappoint at the box office often go on to make millions in DVD sales & rentals and television. The fact is, theatrical is at the bottom of the list in movie profits. #1 is television and #2 is DVD sales & rentals (used to be the other way around but it doesn't matter). Box office is #3.

I cannot count how many films had a token box office run and have gone on to make millions, and even become classics, through years of TV play and DVD sales & rentals.

Let's take one example: Donnie Darko. It is one of my all-time favorite movies and a lot of other folks' as well. I've literally talked to thousands of people about their favorite films and it's one of the few that comes up constantly. Yet the film's widest release was only 58 theaters. It took in a total of $514,515 in a 6 month box office run!

Over 2 years later
, it was re-released in theaters for another 18 weeks, bringing its total to $727,883.

Those are paltry numbers for a film with a $4.5 million budget.

On the other hand, we don't have the numbers, but there is no doubt it has made tens of millions if not hundreds on television deals and DVD sales and rentals over the years.

#127 Re: Square Eyes » Twilight (contains spoilers for all books and the movies) » 10 Feb 09 :: 20:55

Borders will offer an exclusive version of Summit Home Entertainment's March 21 two-disc release of Twilight, including one hour of extra content not available elsewhere.

The exclusive material features Comic-Con interviews with stars Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart and red carpet footage from the film's Los Angeles premiere, with cast members Kellan Lutz, Ashley Greene and Nikki Reed. Also included is a cut of a 'Borders Book Club' Web episode that featured author Stephenie Meyer discussing her source material for the Twilight novel franchise, on which the movie is based.

Additionally, Borders' Twilight two-disc edition carries 10 exclusive photo cards and will be encased in packaging distinct from the box art at other retailers. The booksellers' design revolves around foil-stamped tree branches that highlight the movie's logo.

Borders and its Web site are currently listing the title for pre-order at $29.99 pricing.

To underscore its Twilight exclusive, Borders will hold nationwide midnight parties for its release on Friday, March 20. Further details on the parties should be announced shortly, according to the chain.

"No retailer understands the passion Twilight fans have for Bella and Edward's story quite like Borders," said Anne Kubek, executive VP of merchandising and marketing at Borders. "We've been with this series from the very beginning and share fans' enthusiasm as we've watched it explode into a full-blown cultural phenomenon. To celebrate the release of the film on DVD, we wanted to go above and beyond to create something truly special that can't be found anywhere else."

Borders' Twilight version is the latest in a string of exclusives Summit is lining up for the title. Its single-disc SKU is expected to be sold only at Wal-Mart, and its Blu-ray version will launch for sale exclusively at Best Buy and Target.

Twilight and Borders should make a strong marketing team for the DVD. All four Twilight book installments are long-time bestsellers.

The chain continues to offer a wide selection of Twilight-related merchandise, spanning books, T-shirts, jewelry and action figures, in prominent displays at the front of its stores.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA … c=topstory

#128 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 10 Feb 09 :: 04:55

TheCentralScrutinizer wrote:

Well, you know the rumor is that they're only going to expand to 4 more cities and then they're done with theatrical.  They seem to want to release the DVD in May.  Does that sound reasonable?  Even though I've been told it's not true, there's a lot of doubt that they'll go any further with it the expansion.

I want to avoid posting anything negative about the film as per Deb but I can tell you a few things that generally apply across the board in the industry.

First, a 3-month DVD window is not unusual. The average is 4 months but 3 is not that uncommon.

Distributors usually have a target they hope to hit after opening weekend and expansion is mostly based on that. Another thing to consider is that when a theater books a film it's usually a 2-3 week contract so you generally won't see a film only play for a week.

In addition to opening weekend box office there is word-of-mouth and reviews. Positive response from the public and media will occasionally have as much or more impact on a film's expansion than opening weekend box office. Sometimes more important than actual box office is percent drop (or increase) from day to day and week to week.

So you have those 3 factors: box office, word-of-mouth, and reviews. There are other financial and political factors too -- for example, a promise of a film playing x number of weeks in exchange for another film down the line. But you generally need decent theatrical take, buzz on the street, and favorable response from critics for expansion to take place.

#129 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 10 Feb 09 :: 04:12

TheCentralScrutinizer wrote:

Thank Heavens!  I thought it sounded a little far-fetched, but I don't really follow box office that closely.  Nice to know there's a chance.  Can you think of any movies that made that much in that many theaters with ZERO advertising and expanded?

Wow, that's a tough one. It's so hard to compare.

All the Pretty Horses
was a Weinstein film that opened at $879/screen and went on to make $15,540,353.
Balto opened at $1,065/screen and went on to make $11,348,324.
Firehouse Dog opened at $1,342/screen and went on to make $13,932,383.
    
It's hard to compare by theater counts.

#130 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 10 Feb 09 :: 02:32

TheCentralScrutinizer wrote:

And yet people are saying it would've needed about $10,000 per screen to justify expanding.  sad

That's the craziest number I ever heard. Not one single film in this weekend's top 53 movies made anything close to that amount.

It is almost unheard of.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/ch … =06&p=.htm

#131 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 10 Feb 09 :: 00:32

Here are the final actual numbers for the weekend:

Total = $171,533
Per screen avg. = $3,898    

That's a pretty decent number. Anything over $3000 per screen is very good.

#132 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 09 Feb 09 :: 02:41

Weekend box office: $164,000, per screen average= $3727. There were 44 theaters, 44 screens, and 753 showings.

That's not too bad. Anything over $3k per is considered decent. Of films #9-39, only one did better.

P.S. For those who don't follow this sort of thing, these are obviously estimates. They don't include Sunday since they come out on Sunday. Final numbers will be announced tomorrow but they are usually pretty close. They have a general formula to determine Sunday box office based on Saturday and Sunday and historical numbers. Sort if like predicting the weather.

#133 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 07 Feb 09 :: 23:08

Friday box office: $58,000, which is $1,318 per location.

Too early to call this good or bad (or delete-worthy) but worth reporting for now, I think.

#134 Re: Chris On Screen » Choose Connor (a.k.a. The Politician) » 07 Feb 09 :: 23:03

Samsy-Marie wrote:

what I can tell so far is that I had one of those "Woah!"-Moments when I watched it ... it's a really great piece of work.

That's one of the things I loved most about the movie. In fact, it's one of the main reasons I watch movies -- for those "whoa" moments.

Unfortunately, it's those "whoa" moments which make it so hard for me to write reviews for some of my favorite movies -- the ultimate irony -- since they cannot be revealed without posting spoilers, and I'm such a stickler for not doing that. In fact, some movies are so dependent on those "whoa" moments that it's hard to say anything at all. It's the main reason I never really wrote a review for Choose Connor.

#135 Re: Square Eyes » In Praise of Chris's Colleagues » 07 Feb 09 :: 22:46

Yes, Berlinale (the Festival) started on the 5th. The EFM is open to the public, though. There are press screenings but there are also public screenings. These 2 are public (it's only Press if there's a little P next to the screening time). You can't purchase individual tickets, though. The minimum is a badge which costs 300 euros. That's US $383.88, but that's pretty cheap compared to most festivals.

#136 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 07 Feb 09 :: 22:25

There's also always the old reliable "Print Screen." :devil:

#137 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 07 Feb 09 :: 08:18

I just returned from seeing Fanboys at the AMC Empire 25 on 42nd Street in New York City. I won't post any spoilers -- this isn't a review as much as just some initial thoughts about the film and the experience of seeing it on opening night in Times Square.

First, the bad news. Even though it was in theater 19, which is one of the smallest ones in the complex, the show was not sold out (we went to the 7:50 PM screening). In fact, it was almost empty. There were probably around 35 people there.

About half the audience was fairly subdued while the other half laughed out loud (they sat in the back). No doubt these were the real "fanboys" who had been anticipating the release and knew a lot about the film.   

Personally, I thought it was one of the funniest movies I've seen in a long time. And I saw over 250 in 2008 alone. As I've posted before, I try to know as little as possible about a movie going in -- I don't watch trailers and try to avoid reading anything about it -- so I wasn't expecting it to be so comedic. Of course, it was impossible not to know a bit about the film, especially having followed the campaign, but I really didn't expect to laugh as much as I did.

Some scenes were a bit too drawn out -- the little editor in my head was saying "cut this now" -- but there were more scenes that were just right than not. I especially loved the shorter jokes -- one-liners and sight gags -- and the humor, although obviously targeted at teen males, didn't just rely on bodily fluids and functions (although there is plenty of that). The jokes that were based on references to Star Wars were also somewhat accessible -- not just "inside stuff" that only diehards would get.   

I was especially impressed at how the cameos are worked into the script. It didn't appear that they were just dropped in because these folks were willing to do it. Too often it just looks like the filmmakers think that just by throwing in a familiar face that they've got a gag. Think Love Guru. Ugh.   

The story itself was definitely believable and neither I nor my friend could imagine how the "other" version could possibly have made any sense.

And maybe I'm biased because I'm a fan of Chris, but I really thought he stole the movie. Yes, it's an ensemble cast, and everyone has their great moments, but the story is really more about him than anyone else. He brought more depth to his character than the others did to theirs. Jay comes in a close second.

Overall I really enjoyed it a lot more than I expected to. I think it's a crying shame that it didn't get the promotion and marketing it deserved, because it has the potential to be in the Superbad league. Maybe it will develop a cult following on DVD and live a long life.

#138 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 06 Feb 09 :: 02:52

Here ya go. I also brightened up the darker one a bit and sharpened the blurry one:

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#139 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 06 Feb 09 :: 01:42

TheCentralScrutinizer wrote:

Hey TeeJay, can you get rid of the red eye?  I know how to do it, but with the way my head hurts, I just don't have the patience.

Has this been done yet? If not let me know and I'll be happy to do it.

#140 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 04 Feb 09 :: 19:39

Looks like this wasn't exactly a high priority for the paps. I get a daily WireImage email newsletter with links to all the major events they covered the day/night before, and it's not even in it. They have 30 separate events, too. :clueless:

#141 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 04 Feb 09 :: 07:36

No pics on WI or Getty yet. :clueless:

#142 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 02 Feb 09 :: 20:50

It might still be there. I'll have to try again later and see if I can access it. That's another reason I hate Comcast.

#143 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 02 Feb 09 :: 20:34

Here are the deleted scenes. I just fast forwarded through them:

1) Six Fingered Man 1:05
2) Big Chuck Board Room :50
3) Sex with Ewok or Wookie 1:40
4) William Katt Scene 1:33
5) Kyle as Yoda 2:25
6) -- at this point the Comcast connection froze but it was a scene with Kevin Smith. I got a message saying I had to call Comcast support. this is VERY common with their On Demand. Now I can't get into On demand at all.

I did see a lot of Chris in there. I didn't see anything about pills being thrown away but I can't go back and look now.

#144 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 02 Feb 09 :: 19:46

I have to admit I haven't watched them. I really try to avoid seeing any trailers or clips before seeing a movie. I prefer to go in as cold as possible.

Would the canyon scene be a deleted scene or one of the clips? That would narrow it down and maybe I could go check them out instead of watching the whole package.

#145 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 02 Feb 09 :: 19:34

The difference between this and Alpha Dog and Choose Connor is that, in those cases, there were no "extras" of any kind that were posted anywhere before the DVDs came out. So it was all talk. In this case we have, for example, all the Comcast material. I can't imagine any way that all that stuff on Comcast wouldn't end up on the DVD. In fact, in my experience, that's exactly what all that is -- the DVD extras being delivered in advance through an exclusive deal.

I've never seen any "extras" (deleted scenes, interviews, etc.) posted as "exclusives" on sites like AOL, Yahoo, etc. that didn't turn out to be the DVD extras. In general, that's what they were created for -- they are made to be the DVD extras, and then a deal is cut to show them at these outlets as "exclusives."

I can't imagine any way that the DVD wouldn't have the material being shown on Comcast. It would mean that they did all those segments only for Comcast and that would be a very bad business decision, not to mention that the contracts the talent has with the producers generally do not allow that. Nor do the unions. The actors, photographers, editors, etc. who do those "extras" generally do them primarily for the DVD itself. The fact that the distributors then dole them out on AOL, Yahoo, MSN, Comcast, etc. is just an ancillary.

That said, anything can happen (Larry covers his ass lol).

#146 Re: Square Eyes » In Praise of Chris's Colleagues » 02 Feb 09 :: 07:41

The World Premiere of Exterminators will take place at the SXSW Film Festival in Austin, Texas, March 13-21. It will screen in the Lone Star States section.

Exterminators
stars Amber Heard, Heather Graham, Jennifer Coolidge, Joey Lauren Adams, and Matthew Settle.

Screening dates and times will be announced soon.

#147 Re: Square Eyes » All Things Michael Welch » 02 Feb 09 :: 07:36

The North American Premiere of My Suicide will take place at the SXSW Film Festival in Austin, Texas, March 13-21. It will screen in the Emerging Visions section.

Screening dates and times will be announced soon.

My Suicide was filmed in the fall of 2005, right after Michael had turned 18. He's 21 now.

#148 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 02 Feb 09 :: 01:18

FYI just made arrangements to see the film on opening night at the #1 movie theater in America, the AMC 42nd Street in the heart of Times Square in NYC. The audience should be quite interesting. I'll bring my camera.

#149 Re: Chris On Screen » Fanboys » 31 Jan 09 :: 02:32

What I find most amusing is the term "never-before-released" deleted scenes. As opposed to all the deleted scenes that already have been released? :silly:

#150 Re: Chris On Screen » Choose Connor (a.k.a. The Politician) » 31 Jan 09 :: 02:30

Well that sure sucks. I was hoping that wasn't the case. The last time I discussed it with Luke they were going to be on there.

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